IN: Being out of the loop helped you to refocus. A change always opens things up. That’s why people go on residencies.
EC: There’s more space, mentally and physically. Before I went away, I felt like I was in the ocean, being hit by waves. It can be fun, because you can ride a wave for a bit, but then you get hit by another one. You start drinking salt water and stop having so much fun.
IN: Although, if I lived outside an urban centre full time, I don’t think I’d make much progress with my work. If I didn’t ‘ride the waves’ and face up to the reality of what other people think, I’d just keep making the same thing. I’d just live in my own bubble.
EC: But I’m the contrast of that. If I was living in my own bubble, my work would look different.
IN: So, living in a city forces you to conform?
EC: Yeah, maybe. Or, at least, the feeling that I needed to make work that looks like my work, utilising the same ideas, would lessen. I’m trying to get over that feeling. Being in London, we feel pressure to be super productive.
IN: Yeah, but I think pressure is sometimes positive. Obviously, there are downsides to the pace of city life.
EC: Well, what’s the solution? How can you live in both places at the same time?
IN: I think you probably can. You could live within a couple of hours of a city, but visit regularly, either in person or virtually. It’s more possible now. That said, for the time being, I’m still committed to London.
EC: I could live somewhere else, but I want to live here. I’m not done growing, I’m not done learning. If you’re self-disciplined, you can be an artist anywhere.
Artists Ethan Caflisch and Isaac Nugent are both currently based in London, UK.
ethancaflisch.com / @ethancaflisch
isaacnugent.info / @isaac.nugent